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I gots an open qvestion for de netvork: vhat does "honor" mean to hyu? Iz it de same or different den "duty" or "loyalty"? Does hyu try to live "honorably", und vhat does dot involve?

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De more dot I hears about vhat a samurai iz und does, de more I iz reminded of de Jagerkin. Loyalty to de Master or Mistress until death, und a few odder tings here und dere, make me very curious. Perhaps ve could learn a ting or two from dem, und dey from us. I gots to admit, though, dot I finds dis "honor" ting both fonny und confusing...

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Hy... tink Hy gets dot now.

But yah, different tings. Vhy does humans alvays eidder have too many vords for vun ting, or vun vord for too many tings?

Hahaha, well, it could just be language, too right?

I agree with your description of loyalty and duty! As for honor, I think it's having principles and beliefs and all that and sticking to it in and living life in a way that adheres to these, etc etc. For example, it would be so much easier to just kill all your enemies, but your honor dictates that mercy is a virtue worth upholding so you don't.

Often, duty and loyalty and honor get in the way of each other. In the army, I learned firsthand that duty will often make you do things to sully your honor. However, strictly adhering to duty is a form of keeping honor in itself!

Oh!

But then, don't you have set beliefs or something? Like "I think raping women is wrong", so you try to abide by that by not raping women. Or you think "When I kill things, they should be killed very dead," and that's something to abide by also even if I think that may be a strange sense of honor... hahaha. Honor doesn't adhere to any universal morals or sets of beliefs, I think! It's all up to you.

Yah, Hy guess Hy did... It just schneaks op on me zumtimes.

Dese human tings is so confusink, but iz hard not to try to figure dem out vhen ve's out here on a ship full ov dem.

So, doez it make any more sense now?

Yah, havink too many vords for tings iz language all right.

The meaning of all three are subjective, and vary greatly depending on the views of a person.

'Honor' is a code of conduct, a formula of responses which follow the path of correct behavior and relations to other people as perceived by the individual.

'Duty' is an obligation, a series of actions one carries out because they believe they owe these to others.

'Loyalty' is the subjugation of one's self to an ideal or person. It places that thing above others in the consideration of the individual.

All three are either things that come voluntarily from inside a person, shaped by their own thoughts, or they can be predefined things that a person accepts from an outside source, and chooses to internalize.

Depending on the person, they can as rigid as a written set of legal rules, or they can be intangible ideals which are flexible and depend on the context of the situation.

Now dot's chust schtupid. If Hy tink Hy should alvays do votever de hell Hy vants, iz doink dot honor too?

Und vot line ov vork vould dot be?

I am an Assassin.

I actually dunno! To my understanding, honor is a practice of self-restraint and discipline and doing what you believe is right (according to your own moral standards), but I think that sort of thing is fine too if it works for you.

Ho, dot's nize!

Hyu keelink any pipples around de ship, den?

*laughs* 'Self-restraint und discipline' sounds like vun ov dose tings hyu do vit ropes.

Not unless I'm paid an extremely large sum of money, no.

[laughs also]

It does, doesn't it! Well, in a way honor can be a rope to tie people up with, too! Some people I knew had too much honor and it got them killed eventually.

Of course. Principles and beliefs, good morals. Integrity, mercy, discipline... Sticking to all that, like you said. Honor's just one of those tricky words, huh?

Phew, this really makes you think. There are definitely times where you have to pick and choose, duty or honor, honor or loyalty. I guess you can say that it's how you lived overall that's either honorable or dishonorable.

Hum! Honor is the tie that binds, I suppose. I'm rather more of a duty and loyalty person myself.

So am I.

We're so easily misunderstood!

Vell den, I guess dot I gots honor of a sort going on, ja? I mean, if iz based on vhat I tink iz right, after all. I tink dot "loyalty" iz de big vun for me, though.

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Und vhat about hyu, Miss Anthy? Does any of dem vords apply to hyu?

Zo, vhat makes up dis "Vay of de Sword", den? Zounds interesting. I gots to admit dot I doezn't know much about samurai tings.

Not zo much getting a talk as just picking it up in converzation und vhatnot. Und den mebbe tinking about it a little too much, to be honest. But iz goot to zee vhat everybody elze tinks.

[Tries to sound nonchalant about it.]

Vell, hyu know, vhen hyu's around new pipples vhat tinks different den hyu, hyu can't help but vonder about vhy dey does vhat dey does, ja?

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Zo, vhy does hyu do vhat hyu does?

Sure, I gots beliefs about vhat's right, but dot's novhere near de chivalry-type schtuff vhat I tinks knights und samurai und pipples like dot lives by.

But if you live by what you think is right, that's still honor!

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