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[theschmotone]

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I gots an open qvestion for de netvork: vhat does "honor" mean to hyu? Iz it de same or different den "duty" or "loyalty"? Does hyu try to live "honorably", und vhat does dot involve?

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De more dot I hears about vhat a samurai iz und does, de more I iz reminded of de Jagerkin. Loyalty to de Master or Mistress until death, und a few odder tings here und dere, make me very curious. Perhaps ve could learn a ting or two from dem, und dey from us. I gots to admit, though, dot I finds dis "honor" ting both fonny und confusing...

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[Voice]

[prettyflyguy.livejournal.com]

To me, "honor" is... Well, I guess I'd describe it as the good morals within someone, something to be protected and fought for. It's different than "duty," which I think is more an obligation to oneself and one's country and not necessarily something from the heart.

"Loyalty," though... I think of "loyalty" as an attachment, swearing one's self to something and sticking by it no matter what. I never gave thought to living "honorably," but I'm sure that'd involve staying true to yourself, honest and just. Not running away from a fight, but not starting one, either.

Why do you ask?

[notalfred.livejournal.com]

I like your answer.

[Voice]

[prettyflyguy.livejournal.com]

Really? Thanks!

[Voice]

[theschmotone.livejournal.com]

Just vondering vhat odder pipple thought. I gots zome friends who's samurai, und vhen hyu's around dose kind of pipples, hyu can't help but tink about such tings from time to time.

Heh. Looks like I gots de "loyalty" und de "duty" down, but I doezn't tink dot I iz ever going to go much for honor, except vhen iz convenient.

[Voice]

[prettyflyguy.livejournal.com]

Gotcha. I guess you would get the whole honor talk from a group of samurais, huh?

It looks like everyone has their own meaning.

[Voice]

[theschmotone.livejournal.com]

Not zo much getting a talk as just picking it up in converzation und vhatnot. Und den mebbe tinking about it a little too much, to be honest. But iz goot to zee vhat everybody elze tinks.

[Voice]

[fuhenteki.livejournal.com]

[Somewhat amused.]

Ah, so this is the reason for your question?

[Voice]

[theschmotone.livejournal.com]

[Tries to sound nonchalant about it.]

Vell, hyu know, vhen hyu's around new pipples vhat tinks different den hyu, hyu can't help but vonder about vhy dey does vhat dey does, ja?

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Zo, vhy does hyu do vhat hyu does?

[Voice]

[fatherofcute.livejournal.com]

Oh!

But then, don't you have set beliefs or something? Like "I think raping women is wrong", so you try to abide by that by not raping women. Or you think "When I kill things, they should be killed very dead," and that's something to abide by also even if I think that may be a strange sense of honor... hahaha. Honor doesn't adhere to any universal morals or sets of beliefs, I think! It's all up to you.

[Voice]

[causink-trouble.livejournal.com]

Now dot's chust schtupid. If Hy tink Hy should alvays do votever de hell Hy vants, iz doink dot honor too?

[Voice]

[fatherofcute.livejournal.com]

I actually dunno! To my understanding, honor is a practice of self-restraint and discipline and doing what you believe is right (according to your own moral standards), but I think that sort of thing is fine too if it works for you.

[Voice]

[causink-trouble.livejournal.com]

*laughs* 'Self-restraint und discipline' sounds like vun ov dose tings hyu do vit ropes.

[Voice]

[fatherofcute.livejournal.com]

[laughs also]

It does, doesn't it! Well, in a way honor can be a rope to tie people up with, too! Some people I knew had too much honor and it got them killed eventually.

[Voice]

[theschmotone.livejournal.com]

Sure, I gots beliefs about vhat's right, but dot's novhere near de chivalry-type schtuff vhat I tinks knights und samurai und pipples like dot lives by.

[Voice]

[fatherofcute.livejournal.com]

But if you live by what you think is right, that's still honor!

[Voice]

[theschmotone.livejournal.com]

Even if most odder pipples vouldn't agree vith me?

[Voice]

[fatherofcute.livejournal.com]

Hey man, your honor is your own. Even if you don't seem honorable to most, you know it for yourself.

[Voice]

[theschmotone.livejournal.com]

*just laughs a bit*

[Voice]

[fatherofcute.livejournal.com]

I agree with your description of loyalty and duty! As for honor, I think it's having principles and beliefs and all that and sticking to it in and living life in a way that adheres to these, etc etc. For example, it would be so much easier to just kill all your enemies, but your honor dictates that mercy is a virtue worth upholding so you don't.

Often, duty and loyalty and honor get in the way of each other. In the army, I learned firsthand that duty will often make you do things to sully your honor. However, strictly adhering to duty is a form of keeping honor in itself!

[Voice]

[prettyflyguy.livejournal.com]

Of course. Principles and beliefs, good morals. Integrity, mercy, discipline... Sticking to all that, like you said. Honor's just one of those tricky words, huh?

Phew, this really makes you think. There are definitely times where you have to pick and choose, duty or honor, honor or loyalty. I guess you can say that it's how you lived overall that's either honorable or dishonorable.

[Voice]

[fatherofcute.livejournal.com]

Hum! Honor is the tie that binds, I suppose. I'm rather more of a duty and loyalty person myself.

[Voice]

[prettyflyguy.livejournal.com]

So am I.

[Voice]

[fatherofcute.livejournal.com]

We're so easily misunderstood!